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Thursday, October 8, 2009
Columbo/Gatto
I believe my childhood experiences are reasons for my passion in the subject. I think Gatto was bored enough to compose this silly article. While it is his opinion and it seems the article was well written, I feel his personal experiences and crummy career played a role on his biased opinion on what public education is really trying to do. I don't see public education as factories. No one cares, and I will speak for myself, about how he got screwed while he was on leave. He referenced a lot of his work on authors and educators from other universities. I disagree that our system is like Prussia. Once again, I am completely impassive about how many activities or jobs James Bryant Conan had and his negativity in general to education. I just don't like this guy.
Gatto/Freire Reading Response
I think that this is because Oregon attracts a more dedicated group of teachers from all over the country due to the higher standards that Oregon sets for a teaching degree. Because of their dedication too teaching, they might approach an issue in a variety of ways in order to help the students understand and question the information that the teachers are providing, including the discussion of the material by the students. Because of this, we don't have to worry about the quality of our education in Oregon as much as in other states; we only have to worry about how dedicated we are to leartning.
Ryan C.
Muriels Reading Response
Reading Response:
In Paulo Freiere's Pedagogy of the Oppressed he continually bring up the comparison between "problem posing education" and " banking education". Banking education is the simple act of a teacher mindlessly feeding her students facts she believes to be relevant. The information is then stored by the student simply to be regurgitated at a later time, while they never really understand why the answer is what it is.
On the other end of the spectrum problem posing education encourages students to really think about the why instead of simply the what. Education should be full of questions, experiences, and inspiration. Problem posing education allows that and changes the student teacher relationship to where both parties are equally learning from each other. Theoretically the student should be able to arise just as many thought provoking questions within the teacher as the teacher does the student.
I personally agree with most of Freier's thoughts on education throughout this article. Within all the articles we have read, and even some of the classes i have attended my first week of college, it seems they are really pushing the idea of critical thinking as appose to the generic way of learning. It is obvious critically thinking students will be quite successful in school while enjoying the process of learning.
Gatto
Kelly Dickens
“He told me that I was never to use that term in his presence again, that if I was bored it was my fault and no one else’s. The obligation to amuse and instruct myself was entirely my own, and people who didn’t know that were childish people, to be avoided if possible.” -Gatto
This spoke to me because it’s the plain and simple truth. People of all ages rely far too much on modern technology to be entertained, instead of being outdoors having adventures and exploring, we sit around watching T.V., playing video games, talking on the phone etc. And, when these things fail us, what do we do? Complain of boredom. I’ve done this many times as I’m sure everybody has. I agree with Gatto when he says we need to learn to manage ourselves and be challenged. There are so many things out there that can help us grow and expand our horizons, but, for whatever reasons, we choose to ignore this or simply never discover it.
One thing I don’t agree with Gatto about is that all public schooling is bad. Without school, how would we have made it to college? People wouldn’t know how to read, write, or do math. And what then? If, by some miracle, someone came up with a better way of getting an education, I’d be all for getting rid of public schooling. But, until then, it’s probably not a good idea to keep children out of school.
Ironic would be the first word that came to mind when reading Colombo’s Critical Thinking, Challenging Cultural Myths. Ironic, because here I was sitting in a a seemingly traditional classroom, being assigned a reading that encouraged me to challenge traditional thinking. I enjoyed the article right away because it opened up with a sentence I immediately could relate too; “beginning college can be a disconcerting experience.” Sure enough, I had some disconcertion going on.
I particularly liked what Colombo had to say about myth and culture. I’ve always viewed culture as something rich and distinctly unique to humanity, but I never thought of it as having negative connotations, as well. Colombo stated that through culture, comes rigid customs that take a true critical thinker to break and question why those customs are the way they are.
It is within our traditional education system that we learn to obey these myths and customs and are rarely challenged to question them. This takes me strait to Gatto. The soul of Gatto’s argument is that our education system is full of flaws. it’s boring, ridged, and and encourages mediocracy. Friere shared similar views and even went as far as to say that oppression in our schools is caused by the love of death and destruction, rather then creation.
The key points of these three articles run parallel. The connections between them are blatant and obvious, and Colombo, Gatto, and Friere share very similar views. As for buffalo gals, however, the connection did not come quickly. To be honest, it didn’t really come at all. Though, I did connect it to our discussion about what separates humans from the rest of the animal kingdom. We made assumptions that we are the only species capable of language and deep emotions, but it could be that we’re just looking at it form a different perspective. Just like how gal saw coyote as a person, and horse saw gal as a colt. It all depended on perspective, and our perspective could be completely off. Buffalo gals was humbling in that way, and even though I didn't find a direct way to connect it to the other readings, Buffalo gals did spark a lot of critical thinking
3 readings
Definition of nature:
I wanted to look in the dictionary or on line to give the "official" definition , then mine however dictionary.com was rather lengthy so I choose the ones which most agree with my personal definition so first we'll go with dictionary.com.
1. the material world, esp, asa surrounding humankind and existing independently of human activivtes.
2. The natural world as it iexixts without human benngs. As mountains trees etc.
3. A primitave, wild, condition; an uncultivated state.
4. The original, natural, uncivilized condition of humakind.
Definition of human.
1.or or pertaining to characters of or having the nature of people.
2.Consisting of peopole: the human race.
3.Of or pertaining to the soccial aspect of people: human affairs.
These are the ones from the dictionary which most fit my dedinition. My point and most likiley the point of the instructor is that the 2 words are intertwined and can hardly be descrived or defined as one without defining them together and using "human" in describing "nature" to describe "human"
Reading response by Molly Hilken
“Do we really need school? I don’t mean education, just forced schooling: six classes a day, five days a week, nine months a year, for twelve years. Is this deadly routine really necessary? And if so what for? Don’t hide behind reading, writing, and arithmetic as a rational, because 2 million happy homeschoolers have surely put that banal justification to rest.” –Gatto
Human/Nature RR
It's very apparent when reading the articles by Colombo, Freire, and Gatto that they share a very strong opinion on the public education system in America. Colombo, Freire, and Gatto see the public education system as this tyrant that wants to take over the creative individual, abolish all critical thinking from the youth, and create the perfect consumer for America. In many ways I agree with what Colombo, Freire, and Gatto have to say about the public education system, it's taking away the passion and inspiration that is supposed to go with learning, but going as far as to say that the public education system is like “banking” and that our minds are nothing but capsules that are being filled with pointless information that all “average” and “general” people that need to be ruled by society should know seems extreme. We might be forced by law to stay in school for a certain amount of time and be forced to take certain classes in that time period, but many people continue on in that same heartless public education system and take something great away from it. If it wasn't for the public education system we would all be left to find a way to pay for expensive private schooling or be taught by our parents, and in no disrespect, but the times and exceptions of education are changing and many parents nowadays can't keep up with the rigorous learning that we are now entailed to have, just as a basic knowledge. So yes, maybe public education takes things away, but if the student really wants to know and learn they will take it upon themselves to make it happen and learn much more from it then just having it shoved in their “capsule” by some teacher.
Reading Response 1 by: John Wall
Throughout my first in FRINQ, we read three assigned readings which for the most part I enjoyed. The readings opened my eyes to some common problems we as students run into today. Colombo talked about the problems with students not being able to think critically and cultural myths. Gato talked about how the problem of boredom in school creates problems and that school doesn’t allow students to explore their interests. While the most recent Freire talked about how the schools sole function of teaching is like a banking account. These all have a common theme of students not being able to reach their full potential in school.
Within the readings Gato and Freire the problem seems to have to be with the teacher and or environment. Due to the practice of how teachers educate students is the idea of banking. As the student sits in class their brain is just to remain an open account while the teacher fills it with information. This is just like a lecture class because if all the students are just listening and not responding they become bored. Both the students and teachers can control this boredom if the teachers would allow the students to question the material and become critical thinkers with Colombo thought students should be able to do.
In conclusion, schools need to force teachers to allow for a more challenging yet open minded environment so that students can become critical thinkers. This would help control the problem of boredom throughout school.
Jordan Bird Reader Response
The reading I choose to do my reading response on was
When the child decided to sleep in coyote’s house her experience with the flea bed, muddy water, and hanging salmon for food made me think that she was switching the life of a coyote. She was experiencing how to live like a coyote and I believe she adapted quite well with her current circumstances. The scene that struck me in a weird spot was the scene where one of coyotes boyfriends trying to rape the little child. This story was very creepy and interesting at the same time. I am not sure if it’s my particular style that I am used to but it’s good in its own ways.
Reading Response
Alex Elsberry
The Most Efficient Way of Education in My Eyes -- Responding to AGAINST SCHOOL
Against my opinion, some people may argue that the most efficient way of studying is to really do something rather than just sit down and listen to other people, because the experience of failure will teach students not to make the same mistake again. To some extent, I can't deny that this is true, but on the other hand, too much failure may destroy students' confidence which is quite a negative effect on their future.
Overall, it is absolutely wrong to say that public education is useless. Instead, we may consider that the education system nowadays is somehow not reasonable, which needed to be improved by adding some opportunity of practise doing the real work. In this case of combination both theory education and real experience, kids will feel more interesting when they study because they can have chance to attempt what they have learnt in the boring theory class.
Believing in Education
Hindering Critical Thinking
In parallel, Friere’s article also speaks of how our current education system hinders creativity. He explains this using the example of a banking system. This states that the student is like a bank account in that the student is always receiving knowledge from the teacher. This is a one way relationship. The teacher teaches and the students only gain. He goes on to say how a better education system would contain a symbiotic student-teacher relationship where the teacher is teaching the student aswell as learning from the student and the student is learning from the teacher aswell as teaching the teacher. For the most part I belive that both student and teacher should ‘know’ their places, it does benefit both sides if student and teacher can keep an open mind with their relationship. Many times I think that the teachers are the only ones aware of this. Students may not even realize the impact of what they said in class or wrote in a paper has on their teacher. I’m quite positive that my perspective will change though because the teacher student relationship is much different in the collegiate atmoshpere. I have yet to come to any epiphanies.
Spencer's Response 1
Human/Nature- MacCormack
October 7, 2009
Le Guin and Gatto Response
When I started reading Le Guin I couldn’t figure out whether we were talking about humans or animals. Then I thought about Tuesday’s class and how we discussed what are the main differences between human and animals. As I kept this in mind the characters of Buffalo Gals kept switching between each body. I thought of this as trying to keep humans and animals alike as much as possible.
What I figured out was that we do not need structured education to learn. As I read the child in Buffalo Gals matured as a character. In the beginning she was “blind” in one eye and needed aid. The coyote took the child under her wing and taught the child ways while making connections with other people/animals. This is relevant to Gatto’s essay about the education system. He states that education is boring and allowing too much leeway for student’s activities. I believe what Gatto is trying to say is that us, as students, need adventure and challenges instead of sitting in a classroom all day long.
Bringing it back to Le Guin, the child in the story experienced adventure and important life lessons and was not bored with the education that was experienced. If we could some how make the educational system more exciting and “adventurous” it would be more successful and students would be more active in class.
Buffalo Gals
October 8, 2009
Human/Nature
Reflection
On this tale, the start was interesting. And why do I say that? It is because it’s ironic that the women’s name is coyote and I automatically thought, “What?” It talked to a child, an injured child. Coyote was actually a human. Therefore, the child had a busted eye. Knowing that it was a child, it was quite shocking how this child handled his pain so well. As the story flowed on it really caught my attention. I actually got engaged into the story. The way coyote and the child survived throughout the story was fascinating to me, it seemed like they never really eat much but until they got their hands on something, they went all out on the food.
What really disgust me in this story was coyote. She was a woman who had good morals except some action she does. The way she does things like how she would poop or pee anywhere was really disturbing. Also after going number two she would talk to the poop as if it was a person. It brings the reputation of coyote down and I how I would think of it. Coyote did take great care of the child and doing the right things for the child but just had some manner issues. She would always swear in front of the child. As they went on their journey, they came across many people. They met Chipmunk which was a lady who was like a mother. The child met Jay who was the doctor. The doctor seemed a little strange to me. Usually you think of doctors as kind and with a nice appearance, but apparently this guy was not. He was a bulky, tall and had huge hands; broad shoulder, a big head, and a short neck which made him look even scarier. Jay eventually help the child with the eye, he inserted a new yellow eye that seem to satisfy the child with her vision. They also came across Horse. Horse was the one who had been nice enough take the child to find her parents. As they go they meet a girl named Chickadee. Chickadee was their scout and so they tagged along with each other. I thought that it was such a coincidence that they would have all these people they came across to be so caring and needy.
Reading Response
I strongly felt what Gatto was saying about the education system which conforms children into fitting in with the dull society. Forced schooling prepares kids to accept being servants and mere followers as adults who accept how things are no matter how wrong and unfavorable it feels to them. Freire as well takes hits at the current education system which he explains as a “banking” system which makes students into data storing machines instead of data interpreters. He makes the claim that banking system blocks the development of a child’s critical thinking abilities as he is simply expected to absorb whatever information is given to him without questioning the logic.
These articles really made me think deep about what kind of a person I would had turned out to be if I was not a part of the “flawed” education system during my childhood.
I really wonder how different our society would be if our education system was completely different. Its hard for me to even guess personally because the only type of schooling i have been a part of has been "banking". Maybe if kids were taught completely differently they might be different individuals as adults than they are now. Would the intelligence level and productivity of all students automatically rise as adults under the new system? Or would the effects just cancel out since even though the education style is better, kids will still have the equal amount of resources provided to them compared to their classmates as with the "inferior" system and the raised competition level will have overall tougher competitors
Colombo and Le Guin
In “Thinking Critically, Challenging Cultural Myths”, Gary Colombo encourages us to go beyond the obvious meanings in day-to-day life.
In Ursula Le Guin’s “Buffalo Gals”, we delve into a myth that is far from traditional. In Le Guin’s story, we enter the lives of the animals. We learn about their personal lives, their lovers, and their messy rooms. It is a rare occurrence that we think about the personal lives of the animals in our world. We instead see animals as creatures driven by instinct, acting purely out of their necessity to survive. Le Guin’s piece allows us to think critically by questioning the traditional myths and assumptions we have about animals.
Gatto, Colombo, and Paulo Freire
On the Pedagogy of the Oppressed
Freire is correct in his assumption that banking education turns people into “containers” and “receptacles.” By educating our youth this way we are oppressing them from their potential and simply forcing them to integrate into society. But he says one thing that I do not agree with. He says in order for the problem posing technique to be truly successful the banking method must never be used. An idea which I find impossible if not at least improbable, every student needs a foundation of facts and statistics to better form his thoughts when placed in a problem posing situation. If students are given no tangible basis for their opinion you will find them in class unable to create a sound argument.
After the initial teachings of facts and statistics in the old banking style it is then that the problem posing style should be implemented. It seems to me that we go through schooling with a similar time line to the one I outlined. Although, problem posing teaching is implemented later then I would assume useful. High school gave me an introduction to problem posing teaching, but college has thrown students head first into class discussions, and with only about four years of school left, the banking method has poisoned our minds too deeply. I agree with Freire’s arguments towards education but I feel such one sidedness should be reconsidered.
Kyle E.
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